Hi Mark! Just watched it completely without any interruptions, but I have another clients saying his videos in general were buffering so we will look into it! Thank you for posting!
Shawn
Hi Shawn … after our lesson and now just watching this video the revelation for me is that the 20 and 40 yard shots are the swings which are “on the way” to the 60 yard swing which has the full hinge. That is for the full swing the initial phase will look like the 20 yard shot, then the 40, and finally unto the 60 yard swing (with a bit of levitation up the ribcage as you put it — which will happen naturally for the longer clubs). For the 20 yard shot we are only engaging pendulum number 1. For the 60 yard both pendulums are fully engaged. Then after “riding up” to the 60 yard back swing there is tons of space and the club “in front” — because if not then you can’t let momentum take over and the club will not return to the path of the intermediate point. These “check points” are going to be key for me to getting my backswing on track (but of course not reverting these to being position checks and always using the legs and but swivel to heave the club back). Anyway I hope my thinking is sound but please correct me if I’ve missed a nuance. My routine in practice will now be the 6 6 6 with fade // draw and doing the 20 40 60 for each shot before executing the full swing. Hopefully that will help ingrain this!
Shawn any advice for when throwing my lead shoulder staying too high? Not worried about the looks of it per se, but I notice I sort come out of the shot a little. Is it a matter of staying w the blur?
Also my tendency is to start the arms a little early sometimes and I don’t get all the way into my lead side. When I do the compression noticeably jumps.
When getting ready to deliver your arc blur, make sure you know where that low point of arc needs to be. Your body parts will always mirror what you perceive so you are not doing anything wrong. Just in case you don’t have it, here is the written down routine.
Here is the Pre-shot routine’s non negotiable items
1-Best option for shot
2 rules: 1-Release into safe direction; never release towards trouble and draw or fade away from trouble; this puts unnecessary tension in the system with the “you better make sure you do this or that to not go there”
2-No strain required to execute your shot; understand that you have 2 general yardages per club; one for the flush shot and one for the good miss about 12 yards short of the flush shot. The good miss happens 82% of the time and the flush shot 18% of the time. This helps determine what club to use based on where the best place to miss will be.
2-Once the shot option is chosen, confirm the flight plan-what line do you want to start the ball and what line do you want to end? (include roll out)
3-Choose intermediate point; can be straight on or slightly off line, as long as it’s easy to see and well into your peripheral vision (6 to 12 inches in front of ball only)
4-Confirm alignment of momentum-get ready to see the blur of the path of the club and match it to the ball and intermediate point and prepare to make the ball a PRECISE INTERSECTION on the way through the IP into the flight plan!
5-Confirm ball position matches the flight plan and the direction you want to start the ball.
6-Confirm distance to ball and see that when you let momentum ride through the blur through ball and IP that you don’t feel the need to reach out from being too far or hold on from being too close and you can let it ride
7-Confirm Grip club relation; see that you know it will curve the way you want to in the air once you allow the momentum to release you through the arc-blur into the flight plan through ball and IP
8-Confirm levels and low point with relaxed and engaged legs; legs are ready to heave the arms and club into the backswing that would match the direction of the flight plan; and feels like you are ready to allow that solid dose of momentum to ride through the arc-blur through the ball, the low point of the swing and IP into that flight plan
9-Ready? See the arc-blur already moving through ball and intermediate point? You are feeling the arms and club already tracking the arc and the body already gliding out of the way of these tracking arms. What does that feel like again? Witness the shot that is being played out for you; you have done your homework and it’s time to get out of the way and let it happen with full abandon; the glue that holds EVERYTHING together is the letting the swing stay with the direction of flight and fully witness momentum taking care of that for you.
Hi Shawn. Thanks for your very informative videos. I love the task method of teaching the swing. I find trying to think of hammering a nail into wood/door frame makes me focus on the ball too much rather than the target while “ cutting the dandelion stem/tee grass and send clippings to the target” I interpret as a slightly different task in my head. Is the intent to use both of these or either one depending upon what you brain thinks is a better task to fit the job? Also I note when you hammer the nail with the actual hammer your trail hand is way under (super strong) compared to where you normally have it when you actually swing the golf club. Is this just for demo purposes or do you suggest we put the trail hand with the palm almost facing outward at setup.
Cyrus! Great to meet you and awesome questions!
hammer is steel to steel, the golf ball is an ELASTIC COLLISION, it stays on the face for a couple mm then separates from the face into the picture, like collecting the ball from where it lies and releasing it into the direction of flight. So as the ball stays on the face, the club face is rotating. So there is such a thing as too strong and many get there and have to come back into a more balanced state to merge with their own anatomy. And as for task, yes, use one that allows you to feel you have access into the direction of flight beyond the intermediate point. For me, I use the dandelion stem on all short game less than full swing (20-40-60 yard shots) and for full iron, hybrid and fairway wood shots, I use the eyes on grass 1/4 inch ahead of the ball and use momentum to whip those into the picture with breazyness and driver is flicking tees into summersaults over the intermediate point with momentum. Keep at it!! 👍🔥💪
So I have spent the last 5 years studying Moe Normans swing with graves golf and perfecting a more neutral “ no knuckles showing “ grip so I am struggling with this dichotomy. I am switching because I am too focused on body positioning and my ball striking has actually worsened and I have gone from a 4 handicap to a 10 in the process. Losing the grip seems counterintuitive
Moe’s competitive grip his whole life was an overlapping STRONG GRIP which he later modified to suit Natural Golf’s recommended 10 finger grip. Graves promotes the neutral grip because he has everyone get ready to EXTEND AT THE BALL!! But that is not golf and if Moe were here he would tell you to deliver into a flight plan with a specific height and extend to the target with that Elephant finish! In one of the conversations I had with Moe, he was distressed saying that what they teach is NOT ME, and I don’t know what they are doing!
so what you need to do is pick a flight plan, and then a nice intermediate point (IP) into that flight plan; then as you approach the set up, you are getting ready to let momentum deliver a nice release through the arc blur past the IP into the beginning of that flight. When you do, does it feel like your distance to ball will allow the arms to swing freely that way without falling forward? Does the ball position allow for the shit to start on that line? Does the GRIP AND CLUB relationship allow for the ball to stay that way and not slice off when you let it release that way? Is your posture low enough to cut grass when you do?
then when you have all 4 yesses, you let momentum take the club through that arc blur to the right of the IP (for draw) and see how it flies! Use “goldilocks series” and polish the release with “important release update” and “target confirmation series”
time to let what the good lord gave you work for you! 👍😀
Also, here is the full routine that is quite non negotiable! 1-Best option for shot
2 rules: 1-Release into safe direction; never release towards trouble and draw or fade away from trouble; this puts unnecessary tension in the system with the “you better make sure you do this or that to not go there”
2-No strain required to execute your shot; understand that you have 2 general yardages per club; one for the flush shot and one for the good miss about 12 yards short of the flush shot. The good miss happens 82% of the time and the flush shot 18% of the time. This helps determine what club to use based on where the best place to miss will be.
2-Once the shot option is chosen, confirm the flight plan-what line do you want to start the ball and what line do you want to end? (include roll out)
3-Choose intermediate point; can be straight on or slightly off line, as long as it’s easy to see and well into your peripheral vision (6 to 12 inches in front of ball only)
4-Confirm alignment of momentum-get ready to see the blur of the path of the club and match it to the ball and intermediate point and prepare to make the ball a PRECISE INTERSECTION on the way through the IP into the flight plan!
5-Confirm ball position matches the flight plan and the direction you want to start the ball.
6-Confirm distance to ball and see that when you let momentum ride through the blur through ball and IP that you don’t feel the need to reach out from being too far or hold on from being too close and you can let it ride
7-Confirm Grip club relation; see that you know it will curve the way you want to in the air once you allow the momentum to release you through the arc-blur into the flight plan through ball and IP
8-Confirm levels and low point with relaxed and engaged legs; legs are ready to heave the arms and club into the backswing that would match the direction of the flight plan; and feels like you are ready to allow that solid dose of momentum to ride through the arc-blur through the ball, the low point of the swing and IP into that flight plan
9-Ready? See the arc-blur already moving through ball and intermediate point? You are feeling the arms and club already tracking the arc and the body already gliding out of the way of these tracking arms. What does that feel like again? Witness the shot that is being played out for you; you have done your homework and it’s time to get out of the way and let it happen with full abandon; the glue that holds EVERYTHING together is the letting the swing stay with the direction of flight and fully witness momentum taking care of that for you.
I followed you back in 2008-2009 (back when you had DVDs!) and was an early 20s golf addict. Worked my way down to about a 12 handicap, but then got a job, had kids, and drifted away from the game. Now I’m 40 and have the bug again. But I haven’t played in 15 years! First round was a couple of weeks ago. Didn’t go great.
I decided it would be worth rebuilding from the ground up, and so I’m starting over from the grip. Here’s my question: My normal miss (both in the round I played and the few times I’ve been to the range the last couple of years), I consistently hit shots fat (I am guessing not being task focused). But more importantly I consistently push and slice.
Maybe this is a swing technique issue, but we’re still on grip. When I am working in the house on feeling what it is like to hinge on the anatomical snuff boxes, it feels right. However, when I am on the course or at the range, my buddies all tell me “You are opening the club face as soon as you start your takeaway.” Took some video and it’s true. I do open it up (and also tend to come way inside, which makes it where I can’t turn freely). At the top of the swing, my wrist hinge looks very, very cupped.
How would you recommend ingraining the proper hinge in a way that I can take it from practice to the course? Should I be worried at all about how “flat” or “cupped” my wrist is, or is that just giving in to the “positions” mess that people get themself into? I want focus on task and feel…but sometimes the brain doesn’t actually feel what the body is doing correctly!
Fantastic!
1-once the grip is on the club, you have the grip and club relationship sealed so what matters is that when you stay with your task and the ball goes right and you feel you need to manually square the club during the swing (which would cause you to release early and hit fat shots) then the original grip and club face relationship is too open AND your release is not being allowed to happen (not yielding properly with the lead arm and hand)
Immediately see “important grip update” and then see “important release update” and then check out “backswing masterclass” and the “20-40-60 yard shots” and how to match backswing to ball direction” videos.
Then you can apply this routine to your shots:
1-Best option for shot
2 rules: 1-Release into safe direction; never release towards trouble and draw or fade away from trouble; this puts unnecessary tension in the system with the “you better make sure you do this or that to not go there”
2-No strain required to execute your shot; understand that you have 2 general yardages per club; one for the flush shot and one for the good miss about 12 yards short of the flush shot. The good miss happens 82% of the time and the flush shot 18% of the time. This helps determine what club to use based on where the best place to miss will be.
2-Once the shot option is chosen, confirm the flight plan-what line do you want to start the ball and what line do you want to end? (include roll out)
3-Choose intermediate point; can be straight on or slightly off line, as long as it’s easy to see and well into your peripheral vision (6 to 12 inches in front of ball only)
4-Confirm alignment of momentum-get ready to see the blur of the path of the club and match it to the ball and intermediate point and prepare to make the ball a PRECISE INTERSECTION on the way through the IP into the flight plan!
5-Confirm ball position matches the flight plan and the direction you want to start the ball.
6-Confirm distance to ball and see that when you let momentum ride through the blur through ball and IP that you don’t feel the need to reach out from being too far or hold on from being too close and you can let it ride
7-Confirm Grip club relation; see that you know it will curve the way you want to in the air once you allow the momentum to release you through the arc-blur into the flight plan through ball and IP
8-Confirm levels and low point with relaxed and engaged legs; legs are ready to heave the arms and club into the backswing that would match the direction of the flight plan; and feels like you are ready to allow that solid dose of momentum to ride through the arc-blur through the ball, the low point of the swing and IP into that flight plan
9-Ready? See the arc-blur already moving through ball and intermediate point? You are feeling the arms and club already tracking the arc through the ball and intermediate point into that snap release; and the body already gliding out of the way of these tracking arms. What does that feel like again? Witness the shot that is being played out for you; you have done your homework and it’s time to get out of the way and let it happen with full abandon; the glue that holds EVERYTHING together is the letting the swing stay with the direction of flight and fully witness momentum taking care of that for you.
Shawn, thanks so much for the quick reply. I hadn’t really thought about the fat shits being related to the need to square and release early.
This is really helpful and I’ll start to work on it during my holiday break.
Once I’m back in the groove a little bit, I think I’ll be signing up for a swing analysis to get some tailored feedback. Hit I think this will get me going.
Hi Shawn, before asking my question, I just want to introduce myself, as this is my very first post. My name is Pedro Osorio. I got turned to you by coming across a video of yours about Grip – “The most important video you’ll watch about grip” or something close to that. That video just really clicked for me in terms of pure rationale. I just recently signed up to your membership and have watched your videos up to this point. This has been a fantastic perspective on how to view Golf. I am so excited to apply this knowledge and continue learning from you. I started playing golf 9 months ago. I have been grinding pretty hard, and have been very frustrated with my lack of progress but more importantly, how it has felt in my body. A friend turned me to George Gankas, and his membership service. I have learned a lot of “information” and George, as well as the coaches under him are very knowledgeable. The attention to detail has been great but also overwhelming. As much as I have learned “details” about the golf swing it has never felt great in my body. I’ve probably sent in around 35 videos with feedback up to this point and although progress has been had, it has never felt “right” (I am 40 years old, have always been very athletic, played multiple sports growing up at a very high level, and had a professional soccer career for ten years before now coaching soccer professionally. I have coached at the NCAA Div I and II levels for 10 years.) I have always been very instinctual with how my body learns athletic skills and the way I have been going at it for 9 months always felt like I was fighting what my body naturally wants to do. The first thing that was asked of me was to neutralize my grip and bow my wrist. From the get-go that has felt extremely difficult for my body accomplish. Although, now I have been able to adjust and hit some good shots, even the good ones don’t feel right, I don’t feel the harmony that my body feels with other athletic skills. When you talk about the golf swing and the way the body is built and the hinging of the wrists, and how it mirrors how you would hold a hammer and hockey stick and so on.., this all just feels so right on how my body wants to move. I know there are many different ways to do so something right but this is certainly the perspective that I have been searching for.
As for my for my question, just to be clear, you put the ball center for all irons, whether long or short? 9 iron to 4 irion? and what about wedges, same?
Huge feeling breakthrough yesterday…. while warming up on the 1st tee, I feel from top of swing a “falling-then-whipping-though” swing…. so cool! Makes so much sense now in terms of swing path and throwing the club…. I can’t wait to keep working on this. Thank you Shawn!
Hi Shawn, I couldn’t tell, for the fade, did you close the trail leg as you put the ball up in your stance. Or did you turn your aim left, kept both hips open, but it looked like your trail hip was closed due to camera angle? thanks
Hi Pedro! You want to aim the flow of momentum to the left of the IP for the fade and play the ball a tad forward; where as for the draw you are aligning the flow of momentum to the target, play the ball a tad back of centre and then release slightly right of the IP. Have a look at the “fade fine tuning” and “draw fine tuning” videos.
Hi Shawn,
I am unable to find the “arc-blur series” anywhere .Also would love to see a “blur” video with overhead or drone views. Where can I find these ? Thanks
So I watched this series last night and I’m a little unsure of what I am to take away from it. Are you advocating that we swing this deliberately slow or are we just supposed to to realize that we are not supposed to exert force into the swing?
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