Hi Michael! You want to feel like you are collecting the ball from where it lies and release it into the direction you want to start the ball; so the release should feel nicely past the ball towards the intermediate point.
Hey Shawn I was struggling with pulls most of the season and after seeing a video of my swing i realized i was letting go of the club at the top of my swing and regripping on the way down causing a really closed face and pull. So now I have been trying to keep the grip super tight and firm through the entire swing and it seems im hitting much straighter iron shots but with the hybrids, woods and drivers this new grip feeling is cause me to hit some weaker fades. Any tips for fixing that.
Hi Tom! Typically, it would definitely be the same; however, for many, the side spin of 1200 RPM left for the right hander is great for the wedges and short irons, but too much for the long irons. And as far as woods are concerned, sometimes students need more closed than irons and some less, depends of the equipment! Bottom line, when you let the club release you into the direction you want to start the ball, and the ball flies the way you want it to, you have the right combination! See “draw fine tuning” and the “goldilocks series”
Finally not hozelling or thinning my chips. Whew. Enjoying the ease and great contact… I did pretty darn good before with really poor contact, how this was….. I will never know.
Questions:
I’m trying to figure out why all my chips (60, 56, 52) are checking up hard. I’m having trouble predicting run out or in this case, lack thereof. Thoughts?
My other questions is, when I take a practice swing, especially for the remainder of this season (fall-winter-spring) my clubface is crazy caked in earth.
As we worked on the practice swing, see the blur & turf contact, then shuffle in, I’m wondering what your advice would be here….. as I have to stop and clean the face.
Hey Krista! Awesome! The routine’s purpose is to get you to the point where you can LET momentum track the arc through the ball and intermediate point into that lovely snap release into the direction of flight plan. From The practice swing to the shot can have a slight interruption as long as you have your clarity when you get over the ball! 👍👊
Hi Shawn,
Thanks for all your videos and comments.
I have a question about your foot alignment on your video. It seems that you are not aligned to the target but slightly to the left of the intermediate point (ie the direction in which the ball start) right? Idem for draw, are your feet aligned more to the right?
Thank your for your help.
Hi Alexandre!
For fade, we line up in the direction we want to start the ball and let the ball fade back to the end target, ball slightly forward of centre. If we line up square to the target, we have to swing into the body to start left and this is not good for width of swing through the ball.
for Draw, with irons, we line up on the target, play the ball slightly back of centre and then release to the right of the end target and let it draw back to the target. It is tge ball position that influences alignment.
Thanks! So as I tend to align myself to the target line for fades, I often end up finishing slightly to the right, which actually makes sense, as long as the dispersion stays reasonable.
To correct this, I sometimes overemphasize the outside-in club path, which ends up increasing the fade even more. When I try to compensate by adjusting my hand position at impact, I either pull the shot (if the face stays open) or hook it with massive compression (if I close it).
I’ll try to work on that in my next practice session.
Also, I was wondering if there’s a video that helps to better understand the radar figures and what they represent. If not, it could be a great idea to create one ^^ especially useful for winter training sessions.
Again, thanks a lot for your reactivity
Good feedback thanks!
remember that the fade arc and the draw arc are very similar. Don’t try to MANUFACTURE the fade, let the momentum of the swing perform all the work.
Finally really understanding this intermediate point and precise intersection info. Our little discussion of the cornhole game made it all click…. today, lol.
Great analogy with the revolving door Shawn. One of my key areas of focus this winter is strengthening my grip (It had crept into neutral and I was having to flip at it a little with the longer clubs to square it up) and staying with the shot. I’ve found that vertical targets have made this automatic for me as I have to maintain the tilt / aka stay anchored
I have a question: When you discuss closing the club face 45 degrees and then taking your grip, if the toe of the club is pointing at 12 o clock in a neutral grip, would you point it at 9 o clock then take the grip? Or more like 10:30? (Hope that makes sense!)
Thanks coach! I was trying to start square and grip strong but my grip would slowly slide back to neutral and even weak, causing some timing issues and inability to stay anchored through the snap release. closing it and taking what feels like my natural grip and then simply rotating the forearms seems to work better
It also seems like it’s easier to stay on task with the forearms almost pre-deployed into the impact position. No extra rolling or manipulating in the downswing, I can release with full abandon into my picture
BTW! I found the old Mental Game Baseball video, when you said “I’m releasing in that direction and that’s final” has been my mantra now, very powerful signal to the brain!
Shawn,
Deep in my offseason training working through that video. Iron compression has been amazing staying w my IP and feeling that snap release
One thing I’ve noticed with driver is I don’t always fully unload the angle in my wrist if I stay with that same iron flavor. I’ve been messing around with feeling like I start the throw immediately from the top. Like I’m trying to unload the wrist angle from the top of the swing
The feel for me is similar to Jack Nicklaus when he said you can’t release the club too soon. My miss w driver is pulling the butt of the club too far forward and then I have to really work hard to time it up
Is this something you’ve experienced? Should the intent to release the club for all throws come from the top? When I’m skipping a stone my intent the entire time is to throw, I’m not thinking step then throw, it’s the task that drives the motion. Even a slight delay with the driver seems to cause a negative AoA and face that’s open to path, no matter how much I strengthen the grip
Some example numbers from the feeling of my iron swing vs the feeling of throwing immediately from the top
CHS: 113 vs 118
Attack angle: -2 to +2
Spin: 3500 to 2700
Path: about the same, around 3 for a draw
Face angle: 4.5 with the iron swing, 1.5 for the “early” throw
Hi Mark! Just watched it completely without any interruptions, but I have another clients saying his videos in general were buffering so we will look into it! Thank you for posting!
Shawn
Hi Shawn … after our lesson and now just watching this video the revelation for me is that the 20 and 40 yard shots are the swings which are “on the way” to the 60 yard swing which has the full hinge. That is for the full swing the initial phase will look like the 20 yard shot, then the 40, and finally unto the 60 yard swing (with a bit of levitation up the ribcage as you put it — which will happen naturally for the longer clubs). For the 20 yard shot we are only engaging pendulum number 1. For the 60 yard both pendulums are fully engaged. Then after “riding up” to the 60 yard back swing there is tons of space and the club “in front” — because if not then you can’t let momentum take over and the club will not return to the path of the intermediate point. These “check points” are going to be key for me to getting my backswing on track (but of course not reverting these to being position checks and always using the legs and but swivel to heave the club back). Anyway I hope my thinking is sound but please correct me if I’ve missed a nuance. My routine in practice will now be the 6 6 6 with fade // draw and doing the 20 40 60 for each shot before executing the full swing. Hopefully that will help ingrain this!
Shawn any advice for when throwing my lead shoulder staying too high? Not worried about the looks of it per se, but I notice I sort come out of the shot a little. Is it a matter of staying w the blur?
Also my tendency is to start the arms a little early sometimes and I don’t get all the way into my lead side. When I do the compression noticeably jumps.
When getting ready to deliver your arc blur, make sure you know where that low point of arc needs to be. Your body parts will always mirror what you perceive so you are not doing anything wrong. Just in case you don’t have it, here is the written down routine.
Here is the Pre-shot routine’s non negotiable items
1-Best option for shot
2 rules: 1-Release into safe direction; never release towards trouble and draw or fade away from trouble; this puts unnecessary tension in the system with the “you better make sure you do this or that to not go there”
2-No strain required to execute your shot; understand that you have 2 general yardages per club; one for the flush shot and one for the good miss about 12 yards short of the flush shot. The good miss happens 82% of the time and the flush shot 18% of the time. This helps determine what club to use based on where the best place to miss will be.
2-Once the shot option is chosen, confirm the flight plan-what line do you want to start the ball and what line do you want to end? (include roll out)
3-Choose intermediate point; can be straight on or slightly off line, as long as it’s easy to see and well into your peripheral vision (6 to 12 inches in front of ball only)
4-Confirm alignment of momentum-get ready to see the blur of the path of the club and match it to the ball and intermediate point and prepare to make the ball a PRECISE INTERSECTION on the way through the IP into the flight plan!
5-Confirm ball position matches the flight plan and the direction you want to start the ball.
6-Confirm distance to ball and see that when you let momentum ride through the blur through ball and IP that you don’t feel the need to reach out from being too far or hold on from being too close and you can let it ride
7-Confirm Grip club relation; see that you know it will curve the way you want to in the air once you allow the momentum to release you through the arc-blur into the flight plan through ball and IP
8-Confirm levels and low point with relaxed and engaged legs; legs are ready to heave the arms and club into the backswing that would match the direction of the flight plan; and feels like you are ready to allow that solid dose of momentum to ride through the arc-blur through the ball, the low point of the swing and IP into that flight plan
9-Ready? See the arc-blur already moving through ball and intermediate point? You are feeling the arms and club already tracking the arc and the body already gliding out of the way of these tracking arms. What does that feel like again? Witness the shot that is being played out for you; you have done your homework and it’s time to get out of the way and let it happen with full abandon; the glue that holds EVERYTHING together is the letting the swing stay with the direction of flight and fully witness momentum taking care of that for you.
Hi Shawn. Thanks for your very informative videos. I love the task method of teaching the swing. I find trying to think of hammering a nail into wood/door frame makes me focus on the ball too much rather than the target while “ cutting the dandelion stem/tee grass and send clippings to the target” I interpret as a slightly different task in my head. Is the intent to use both of these or either one depending upon what you brain thinks is a better task to fit the job? Also I note when you hammer the nail with the actual hammer your trail hand is way under (super strong) compared to where you normally have it when you actually swing the golf club. Is this just for demo purposes or do you suggest we put the trail hand with the palm almost facing outward at setup.
Cyrus! Great to meet you and awesome questions!
hammer is steel to steel, the golf ball is an ELASTIC COLLISION, it stays on the face for a couple mm then separates from the face into the picture, like collecting the ball from where it lies and releasing it into the direction of flight. So as the ball stays on the face, the club face is rotating. So there is such a thing as too strong and many get there and have to come back into a more balanced state to merge with their own anatomy. And as for task, yes, use one that allows you to feel you have access into the direction of flight beyond the intermediate point. For me, I use the dandelion stem on all short game less than full swing (20-40-60 yard shots) and for full iron, hybrid and fairway wood shots, I use the eyes on grass 1/4 inch ahead of the ball and use momentum to whip those into the picture with breazyness and driver is flicking tees into summersaults over the intermediate point with momentum. Keep at it!! 👍🔥💪
So I have spent the last 5 years studying Moe Normans swing with graves golf and perfecting a more neutral “ no knuckles showing “ grip so I am struggling with this dichotomy. I am switching because I am too focused on body positioning and my ball striking has actually worsened and I have gone from a 4 handicap to a 10 in the process. Losing the grip seems counterintuitive
Moe’s competitive grip his whole life was an overlapping STRONG GRIP which he later modified to suit Natural Golf’s recommended 10 finger grip. Graves promotes the neutral grip because he has everyone get ready to EXTEND AT THE BALL!! But that is not golf and if Moe were here he would tell you to deliver into a flight plan with a specific height and extend to the target with that Elephant finish! In one of the conversations I had with Moe, he was distressed saying that what they teach is NOT ME, and I don’t know what they are doing!
so what you need to do is pick a flight plan, and then a nice intermediate point (IP) into that flight plan; then as you approach the set up, you are getting ready to let momentum deliver a nice release through the arc blur past the IP into the beginning of that flight. When you do, does it feel like your distance to ball will allow the arms to swing freely that way without falling forward? Does the ball position allow for the shit to start on that line? Does the GRIP AND CLUB relationship allow for the ball to stay that way and not slice off when you let it release that way? Is your posture low enough to cut grass when you do?
then when you have all 4 yesses, you let momentum take the club through that arc blur to the right of the IP (for draw) and see how it flies! Use “goldilocks series” and polish the release with “important release update” and “target confirmation series”
time to let what the good lord gave you work for you! 👍😀
Also, here is the full routine that is quite non negotiable! 1-Best option for shot
2 rules: 1-Release into safe direction; never release towards trouble and draw or fade away from trouble; this puts unnecessary tension in the system with the “you better make sure you do this or that to not go there”
2-No strain required to execute your shot; understand that you have 2 general yardages per club; one for the flush shot and one for the good miss about 12 yards short of the flush shot. The good miss happens 82% of the time and the flush shot 18% of the time. This helps determine what club to use based on where the best place to miss will be.
2-Once the shot option is chosen, confirm the flight plan-what line do you want to start the ball and what line do you want to end? (include roll out)
3-Choose intermediate point; can be straight on or slightly off line, as long as it’s easy to see and well into your peripheral vision (6 to 12 inches in front of ball only)
4-Confirm alignment of momentum-get ready to see the blur of the path of the club and match it to the ball and intermediate point and prepare to make the ball a PRECISE INTERSECTION on the way through the IP into the flight plan!
5-Confirm ball position matches the flight plan and the direction you want to start the ball.
6-Confirm distance to ball and see that when you let momentum ride through the blur through ball and IP that you don’t feel the need to reach out from being too far or hold on from being too close and you can let it ride
7-Confirm Grip club relation; see that you know it will curve the way you want to in the air once you allow the momentum to release you through the arc-blur into the flight plan through ball and IP
8-Confirm levels and low point with relaxed and engaged legs; legs are ready to heave the arms and club into the backswing that would match the direction of the flight plan; and feels like you are ready to allow that solid dose of momentum to ride through the arc-blur through the ball, the low point of the swing and IP into that flight plan
9-Ready? See the arc-blur already moving through ball and intermediate point? You are feeling the arms and club already tracking the arc and the body already gliding out of the way of these tracking arms. What does that feel like again? Witness the shot that is being played out for you; you have done your homework and it’s time to get out of the way and let it happen with full abandon; the glue that holds EVERYTHING together is the letting the swing stay with the direction of flight and fully witness momentum taking care of that for you.
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