Just learning this approach to golf, in part, to develop a swing that won’t hurt my dodgy back.
Back swing is much helped by turning the torso and pelvis together and allowing left heel to raise, as necessary.
Next riddle to solve is, after the ball is hit, I can feel a bite in my low back especially on right side (right hander). I believe it occurs because my upper body is slightly leaning backwards, and my hip is pushing up into the finish, so, get compression. I believe….
Any feels or thoughts on how best to remove this last pain point?
Hey Scott! The key here is to NOT PUSH, TRY AND CLEAR, OR DO ANYTHING WITH THE HIPS during the swing as you will be putting a big fat wrench into the kinetic chain of your machine. When we throw a ball, there is no thinking of weight shift or clearing of the hips; have you had a club throwing session or 2 yet?
I threw clubs in this big field in a park near my home course. I did pick up some feels. Threw about 40 clubs. Got to about 50% of the clubs were accurate at 30 yards, the rest were left about 5-7 yards. The release was much more forward, or “out there”, than my standard golf swing. I noticed I was more accurate if I releasing the throw for a low flying club to my target. High throws tended to be pulled. Will do again.
Took those feels to the range for 20 balls with my 9i, just letting the ball getting in the way of the throw. Alternated between fades and draws. Hit them solid and it was fun. Was able to feel like I was throwing over my intermediate point and at my starting direction target. Was not really aware of if I was levitating the club, etc., was just focused on the throw. One thing that did pop out at me big time was the counter balancing rear end both back and through and how that gave the throw oomph and balanced the throw out.
Thank you, Shawn. I understand what you are saying.
I have not yet started throwing clubs, but, I have some old clubs in the rafters with slick grips. I will get to throwing and not do anything with anything except throw the club to a target.
When you are throwing the football and hitting the fade, it appears as if your open in your stance; not employing the diagonal stance. Is that correct?
Yes, correct! Diagonal stance is an option especially for those who want to draw the woods and driver and have more limited mobility in getting enough momentum to gather in the backswing.
Full disclosure: I may be a shot putter. Even when I am very much thinking throw, my left arm is low along my shoulders at the top, my right arm isn’t bent more than 90, but the right elbow is back AND I don’t have a lot of lag or bent right arm at impact.
When I throw the club one-armed through the ball, my natural tendencies are the same, the right arm is still deep, albeit, the right arm is much more extended at the top. My left arm one-arm throws through the ball go back to along shoulder line at the top. I don’t seem to naturally get in the more upright swing positions of you and Bubba.
Have you ever had a student that was swinging well and ended up in a shoulder-line top of swing position? If not, what concepts and/or drills would help me have an aha! moment. Thank you.
Hey Shawn! Really struggling with choosing the right task when it comes to pitching. I’m a gardener for the full swing, but when it comes to the pitch, if I focus on cutting grass in the direction I want to start the ball, I lose sight of my distance. If I focus on distance, I lose focus on direction. Any ideas?
You bet! GOLDIE LOCKS BABY!
Too much Momentum, Not enough momentum, then the in-between amount of momentum to CUT GRASS IN THAT DIRECTION. Let me know how you do! 😀👍
I think I just had a glorious Shawn Clement aha moment. Watched a number of the perpetual motion and kinetic chain videos. Also watched a lesson you posted out on Youtube a few years back where the student has a top of swing position akin to mine that I mentioned below. I am good for now. You get him to feel the levitation and to release more out into the picture.
Perpetual motion. Kinetic chain. And, especially the feeling of LEVITATION really helped. I think my mind associate my hands going deep as me making a good full rotation which carries my hands deep. Now my mind / body feels the levitation up, up, up. At first it felt like I wasn’t rotating because the arms/hands weren’t going deep. First time ever in 20 years of playing I have ever been able to get my arms above shoulder height. And, the access to the target….BAM. Likely the best contact I have ever made. Great fun.
You nailed it!! “backswing levitation” is the name of the video on premium too. The best way by far to facilitate the engagement of the kinetic chain. BIG NUGGET YOU JUST UN EARTHED FOR YOURSELF; very proud coach here! 😀👍💪👌
Hi Shawn Are there any specific videos dealing with topping? I have gone from hero to zero and can’t readily get ball airborne from the tee-despite trying to concentrate on hitting the tip of the tee. Regards. Ian
Hi Ian! The grass whip training video is the best for that; so if you play the ball on a lower tee with the driver and focus on having the sole of the club follow along the ground in a nice whipping deflection like in the fairway woods, you will have some nice contacts. Just feel that the tee height is just high enough to get the ball to meet the centre of the face if you have the sole follow the ground. Then do like in the grass whip training video!😀👍
I have a question Shawn. Can you explain how much side tilt is normal in a driver swing? I see some with extreme tilt and others with hardly any. I am 6 ft. tall for reference.
Some do it from address and some do it during the swing; what matters is that you are anle to send the tee tip in the direction you want to start the ball on the slight upswing (5 degrees is optimal) see the “list of videos by date” and scroll to the bottom and check out the “driver” videos
Hey Terry! Could be the cheap balsa wood tees; or the tell tale signs is your drive balloon up and spin too much which is caused by hitting down too much. See the original driver videos down at the bottom of the list of videos by date and the “flow state driver” and “great driver nugget” videos
Hi Terry! Stock height for draw is “front of ball touching centre of stance” and high draw can be centre to back of ball touching centre; more forward of that and it’s a pull or fade.
Hi Shawn
In the 1, 2 practice swings pre-hit, the hands are way ahead, but in the actual contact swing they are behind a little bit, is that because the club has lowered towards the ball?
Hi Rohan; the idea is what is important and the hands do get to the ball first; then the club catches the hands completely only past the ball; just keep this task in mind and feel like you are squeezing the ball in the direction you want it to start with WEIGHT.
I’ve heard you use the term ‘gather’ at the top of the backswing but I haven’t seen a video explaining what that means. Can you point me in the right direction?
Hi Patrick! Yes, a term used to show the importance of using momentum in the swing; See Using weight in your swing-axe drill will Savy, then “backswing levitation” and then the “unstoppable momentum videos which are combined with “arc-blur” and are one of my favourite sensations as it feels like you can effortlessly PASTE or COMPRESS THROUGH the ball and into the picture. Enjoy!
The most difficult shot for me is the 2ish-4 ft putt..( where the whole is seen in peripheral vision).
It seems like I am manipulating it and always seem to find ways to miss them. Result oriented? Any ways to hack my brain and give it a simple task? Making them would improve my score dramatically and give a lot of momentum in my rounds..
Hi Shawn I did practice a lot putting and watched all I could about it on your site and YouTube What is the main point coming out, is how peripheral vision is creating distortions with the intended line creating doubt in the mind thus causing compensations and missed put.
On the course yesterday I did put it all into test. The most efficient way for me, is when I look at the hole during the stroke and really trying to picture the ball roll into the hole in my mind while I stroke it.
This shift in focus from: Holly s*%#.. I don’t want to miss it! vs Having an active and positive thought process focused on positive images and success, is a game changer!!
I rolled a lot of good putts! Only thing now, I barely miss sometimes left, sometimes right.. I suppose my eye sight will adjust and fine tune itself with more practice? Is there certain drills to train eyes to see line and learn to match it with the stroke?
I really like to “feel” it this way how I could to “train” to feel better..
Awesome post! And yes, the goldie locks the line from an extreme left or right position and work your way back to the hole until the brain screams stop; you are in! 😀👍
Shawn, wanted to ask you about a very helpful swing thought I use that really helps me make good contact with the ball in my full swing. The thought (and feeling) is “Throw your elbows down the swing plane to start your downswing.” I think it is a more active way for me to “Let my arms fall.” Without the throw elbows thought I early release my hands at the ball nearly every time. With the throw my elbows thought I get beautiful lag, collect the ball and throw it without worrying about my release. Has this been something you’ve found helpful for you or your students? – Thanks, Craig
Very good Craig! Right on! See “football drill series” and the “throwing series” to go with this train of thought and the next premium video will have a fantastic addendum to what you are doing, so you have my complete thumbs up to stick with it! The “using the weight in your swing-axe drill with Savy is another great one too!
Staying with the shot is sooooo key here. For me it literally is the crucial difference in a flushed shot with a perfect finish, to a so-so miss that ‘just didn’t feel right’.
I have been a huge fan of your teaching style. Your videos are amazing and have been super helpful.
I feel that one of my issues in not getting the proper release and/or snap in my swing has been not letting my right elbow fold. The recent sword drill has helped immensely in feeling that proper hinge/release with my trail arm/hand.
In the above video I notice in throwing the hammer and kettle bells your right elbow is not folding like it would if you had a golf club. I think copying that had been my issue. Any feedback I would appreciate. Thanks again for all the great videos!
Hey John!
when throwing the hammer or kettle bell, there is no folding of the arms as the weight of the hammer would be too much for the wrist; it’s like trying to throw a 10 pound shot put like a baseball, it would rip your shoulder and elbow apart. The club throw-swing is just like a fishing cast or tennis serve because the club is light enough to throw with the second pendulum. See “golf swing has 2 pendulums” and the “throwing series” then see “lead hand release”, “trail hand release”, “release fine tuning” and “snap release polish” videos.
Then you need some solid references to be able to predict how the ball will be in the way of this release with “predict contact”, “the goldie locks series”, the “arc-blur” videos and “unstoppable momentum” videos.
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