Shawn, glad I signed up for Premium package. This video is a great place to start and to build on our discussion last week. So, how is the throw and release different for shorter irons? I assume just not as elongated of a release, but the same motion? Also, in trying to create more space for the elbow to lead through, should I back up slightly to allow for more room. I think my tendency might be to crowd ball at times.
Thanks for the video! How do you avoid the hands being ‘flippy’ through impact?
Maybe it’s my “make-sure-i-hit-ball-square” mindset doing the processing – but if I release it that much – won’t it be prone to timing issues?
Hey Shawn, thanks for recommending these videos. One thing that struck me was when you held the club straight out at the camera and it looked like the face was shut (7min 27 sec point). You then set it down behind the ball and got your shoulders and arms into a loaded position which then squared the face (looked like your right shoulder dropped lower than left). Are your shoulders slightly closed in this position which then promotes your natural draw. I just worked on the same thing in the house (didn’t hit any balls of course being in the house!) but it did feel like a very solid set up but my shoulders felt quite closed. However, it felt pretty solid. What are your thoughts?
Hey Sandy! No, not when you have a target (Flight plan and a direction you want to start the ball); see “throwing the club” video; your brain know when to let go when you have a target in mind; if no target, it can go anywhere because you are attacking the ball only; and the ball is a sphere that can be attacked by an infinity of directions and angles of attack (like if we were standing in a round room and I tell you to go stand in the corner)
I repeat again; you are not defective and there is nothing to prevent against. There is just you and a target.
Hi Shawn, my medium irons compression and dispersion have improved significantly from focussing on tilt and head turn in conjunction with the diagonal stance but I have been hitting my 3 iron a bit fat. I’m staying with the shot, using intermediate point and looking to cut the dandelion stem. Re ball position I appreciate camera angles can be deceptive but with the 3 iron it seems your ball position is way forward of centre for the fade and a fair bit behind centre for the draw, whereas my ball position is just ahead of centre for the fade and a hair back of centre for the draw. From my brief description and your experience could the fat shots I’m experiencing with my 3 iron be due to over exagerating the tilt and head turn rather than ball position related. I’m all for experimenting and appreciate its dynamic but I don’t like the idea of a complete reset. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Kind regards Steve
Camera angles can definitely be deceptive; goldie locks is your best friend in this case. Both with the tilt at the set up and the ball positions. See “goldie locks series” video and then “fade fine tuning” and “draw fine tuning” videos. Shawn
Many thanks Shawn. Goldilocksed a few on the range and it seems as though I was overdoing the body tilt with the 3 iron. Got away with it with the medium irons but the longer 3 iron had me sticking it in the dirt and pushing at the ball. I think part of the problem is that the diagonal stance feels so comfortable with the body tilted further back and the weight more over the back foot. Thankfully I’m more centred and bolted now with the 3 iron. Hope the e book is coming along nicely. All the best Steve.
Can you clarify what you do in terms of how closed or open you move the face of your driver when you take your grip from your draw to your fade? I am struggling with getting the right amount dialed in. How many degrees different is your clubface Angle on the driver from say your power fade to your normal draw? I also think I might have how far right or left of the intermediate point I should be throwing my club to get the result I’m looking for. Any advice on that specific issue as well would be great. I am really liking the diagonal stance. I was constantly pulling the ball left and this cured that problem for sure.
For me it is just a couple of degrees from a draw driver-start with that-to a fade. And I stay very close to the intermediate point in front of the ball, grazing it on either side keeping it as tight as possible unless the hole is nice and open and you can go a little Bubba on it! 😀👍
Tried out the diagonal stance on the driving range yesterday to very happy results. I remember hearing that Tom Watson used to pull his right leg back in order to allow his hips to turn a little easier. I like it because even with the driver I feel like the target is way more accessible. Imagine if the big hitters like DJ or Koepka got a hold of this technique! I truly appreciate your analytical approach to the game and your willingness to keep on learning.
Hi Shawn. I’ve been a pupil for a while now and appreciate your training method. I’ve heard you address my issue on a video somewhere…Sorry to be redundant. But…. Why do I contact the ball so much better when i hit fades as opposed to draws????
Fades are a bit more natural because of our side vision tendencies as humans. See the “Alignment reboot” video on premium I put out towards the top of the list; works very well to get you going.
Then see “fade fine tuning“ and “draw fine tuning”
Finally, if you are set up for the draw and you are in a nice position to release out to the right of the intermediate point but don’t feel that the ball will curve back to the left, how are you ever going to get that done? Impossible to let it go if you feel that way; so see “lead hand release” and “trail hand release” and release fine tuning videos. And how closed should the face be? See the first video on the “consistency series” and really take that one to heart as so many of my students don’t close the face enough because of the initial “weird” feeling it gives-but when we persevere, the results are 15 to 30 yards longer and the squeeze they get through the ball is ABSOLUTE BLISS. 😀👍
Hey Shawn,
I haven’t been able to move the ball to the left with my driver at all . I would like to send you a video of my swing. Hopefully you can get me back on track. For the past few months I have been playing some of my best golf ever, but I’m starting to Shank the ball again.
Sure thing Carlo! Send me a video at [email protected]
3 second clip from down the line and face on with a 7 iron; make sure you have an intermediate point that is easily visible. Shawn.
How much do you feel gravity in the transition to downswing. Is it just a split second of feeling the club naturally drop and then let energy and momentum gather as you work through the ball?
Hey Andy!
Imagine doing just like a sledge hammer; the arms and hammer fall down an arc around the sternal notch along the ground and back up the other side; see “anti manipulation” video on premium…
so, are you saying that the move for pitching is slightly different from the cutting grass move. seems to be much more wrist movement than the cutting the grass move?
Hi Shawn, firstly apologies for another post but I really could do with your help. Thanks to Wisdom in Golf I’m now compressing the ball much better than ever but it’s now my first winter golf in wet and muddy conditions with this swing. As a consequence I seem to be squelching the ball into the ground.
In the past prior to my WIG swing I would be playing my shots like a fairway bunker and clipping them off the wet / muddy surface. However I didnt want to revert to this approach if there is a more reliable WIG method, eg low sweeping and partially thinning. If you are playing off soaking vwet fairways for example what stick changes do you tend to go for. It’s difficult to goldilocks this out on the course. Last post I promise in 2019. Indebted to you as always. I haven’t thought about body parts since becoming a member of the dandelion club. Steve
Generally speaking. What is the difference in distance between a STRAIGHT draw and fade? Same question for the OVER draw and fade? For getting around obstacles ect?
Ok, let’s start with small curves;
Short irons can ONLY DO small curves with the fade and you will lose 1 club with wedges, 1/2 club with short irons, and nothing with 5 iron and down.
You can hook short irons and even wedges though and this will add a club in distance with wedges, a half club with short irons, and nothing with longer irons and woods…unless off the tee with the 3 wood; you can draw those very nicely and add about 10 to 15 yards.
Shawn
Do you have video(s) describing shaft lean at address? Does it vary with different clubs and or different intents, I.E. fade vs draw, or high vs low trajectory?
Steve
I don’t because it is not a concern when delivering your shots to a picture. Lower shots have more lean and higher shots have less through impact. The flight plan dictates this. What you want at address is to have a set up that allows you to swing into the flight plan. Generally, when you are letting the weight of the arms and club hang from the shoulders, the left hand being higher that the right, you will have a little natural shaft lean. See the first video in the consistency series to help. Shawn
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