Shawn, your method and the way you present your points of view are great. Thoroughly enjoy.
My question is about the swing: do I need to lower my left shoulder in the back swing and then lowering the right shoulder in the down swing??. The reason for this question is that if I don’t do the lowering of the shoulder in the back swing it feels uncomfortable and cannot go as wide nor as high as I want to.
Thank you so much!!
Thinking of using your shoulders in the swing is not necessary; there is a saying I use all the time that states that we are already “Pinocchio without the strings”. See the video called “anti-manipulation” and “the genius of Gabriele Wulf” on our list of videos right here in premium.
This is just another thing you will not need to worry about in the future. The question will be “what do you need to focus on to accomplish the shot at hand?”
Very good video series and it was fun to watch! 🙂 When we throw it is maybe more feel and less thinking. With golf club there is offcource clubface and impact. So to get speed we need arms pronation and supination through impact, like in ping pong. However when you show this (Dustin/Broeks) strong grip style, it looks like there is very litel pronation or supination and club face rotation. My question is : How your grip effects your release patterns or your favorit tasks?
Love the slight forward press to activate your turn back away from the ball. Ever so subtle, but effective in helping you load up on the back swing. I love that you narrate your way through the thin shot to bring on ‘bliss on a stick’ on the next one. What I love about how you go through this lesson is that you’re using data. You’re using the sound, the feel, and the contact as data to inform your next steps. Data has no emotion! You aren’t taking your thin shots, or the glancy, sliding shots off the face personally. You are using them as data to inform your next steps. Removing the emotion from not so good shots is critical to finding the joy and curiosity in our own games. It’s hard to be joyful and curious in the moment when our games fail us, but you are modeling the importance of doing so. As we’ve done a couple lessons together, I’m finding a new energy in my swing and my game. I’m still coming up short applying it on the course, but the contact is there and the distance is coming back into my long game. What is your advice for being patient on the course in order to find joy even if we aren’t striking it well? I’m guessing your answer might be ‘let go of expectations and enjoy the ride’. Do you encourage tinkering on the course or just getting on with it and playing? Talk to me Coach!
Andy, I just wrote an article about this subject. Last year, I was playing golf and we saw former Masters Champion, Bob Goalby hitting balls on the range. He’s 91 or so at this point. He saw us watching him and when we came back to the clubhouse. He asked how we were hitting them.
“We weren’t hitting them nearly as well as you Bob.”
“Well, you know I used to be a pretty good player, but this is a game, if you aren’t playing and practicing all the time you need to play the game without expectations,” He said.
After that it made me realize, if a former Masters champion and multiple time PGA tour winner says that…why do amateur golfers have expectations ever? Wouldn’t the game be more fun if we just play stress free golf without expectations? By doing that we can enjoy the small things on the course. Maybe it’s the crazy hard shot that you get a chance to pull off. Maybe it’s the one draw around a tree. How about the low cut shot under a branch?
Stress free, expectation free golf and I bet all of us amateur golfers would be better and we would score better. My $.02. 🙂
Great post Andy, nice going!
For on course, there are days you want it to be a tinkering practice session and there are days you want yo work on scoring ugly. You want to do both for sure and let the moment dictate that for you. Use the range time to solidify the focus sequence, the feel of the delivery, the gathering and releasing and then if you feel it, take it to the course and grind it out or use the course to continue the practice.
Shawn
Shawn, a question about “compression”. It seems to me hitting off the mat and hitting off grass changes things a bit. Doesn’t the mat force the club “up” occasionally? Thanks for the video! Looking forward to next week.
Hi Joe! Every surface has a certain give and you want to use the prediction process to determine the exact amount of turf penetration to use for your shots; see “predict contact” and “the goldie locks series”
And if your mat or the mats your practice on are too hard, or have too little give, then use the rubber tees and take “air divots”; which is also a nice practice for contact predictions.
hi shawn, appreciate this chipping lesson. One question : i struggle with the engine of the motion. You say the weight and the momentum does it all. The knees , like in the full swing , are , so i presume , are also an engine . Anyway the arms do not participate. Do I understand it correctly?
See “kinetic chain part 5” which is for chipping as well and see the “beginner series part 2” where we deal with this same thing. So, arms are passive yes, and the legs and body are simply reacting to the swing and weight of the arms and club which is a reaction to the task demanded by your mind. Shawn
hi shawn, i like to thank you for your fantastic lesson methods and vision on how golf should be learned. i enjoy it all very much and i m grateful for all you do for us ‘students’. take care and looking forward for a fantastic 2020! ernst from the netherlands
So Shawn I just had to share that I had a “breakthrough” range session today using the throw the football task. I was having trouble getting the feel of throwing the driver to the right and as I was trying to diagnose why the ball was slicing out to the right even with a more closed face I stumbled upon the fact that it had to do with the path of my elbow. When I imagined my elbow passing closer to my side without getting stuck I started to get a better swing path more inside to out. I didn’t like thinking about body part positioning while trying to complete the task of throwing the club clipping the tee to the right edge of my intermediate point but I couldn’t find the right feel. So I sat there for a while going throw slow motion with the club to try to capture a feeling from a task that would allow me to throw in a way that would put my elbow in a better position without thinking about it. That’s when it clicked. I needed an underhand throwing motion. My mind then went back through the archives of your videos and I remembered the recent one containing the football throw. I then took my setup and visualized throwing the football underhanded to the right edge of my intermediate point. It was an instant fix. I was absolutely amazed at the difference. All of the sudden I was getting consistency and compression like I’ve never experienced. I then used that same football throw task with all of my clubs. I use Wishon Sterling single length irons and it was like an epiphany of immediate bliss on a stick. I finally felt like I was using my kinetic chain as I see you demonstrate. I went through a large bucket of balls with all clubs having shots fly off the club like I’ve never experienced. After I got home I went back and looked at the earlier football drill videos and learned even more which I think will help fine tune what I’m doing. I think I might have finally unlocked the final piece I’ve been missing. I can’t wait to go out and see if I can repeat and build upon my progress. I never realized how important leading with the elbow and giving it space is to proper kinetic chain, swing path, directional control and generating massive lag. I finally feel I can work the ball as desired with both the fade and the draw. Such a simple concept that I’ve been missing that has unlocked a whole range of untapped ability. I also have adopted using the diagonal stance for all clubs now and that in conjunction with discovering the football throw task (I’d never tried it before) has opened up a whole new level for me. I am Very excited to start working these developments from the range to the course. I can already sense that my problem is going to be re-establishing my gapping as I think I’ve added 20+ yards to all clubs if not more! Thanks for all you do. Your efforts have really gotten it down on the shelf where even a knuckle dragger like me can reach it! I broke 90 for the first time in over 15 years a couple weeks ago. I just picked the game back up a year and a half ago and thankfully I stumbled upon you and Wisdom in Golf. Hopefully I will be able to report I’ve broken 80 for the first time ever very soon. I feel I’m on the brink of a Major scoring breakthrough as my short game has also improved dramatically especially since incorporating the flow state concepts of your latest videos. I’m actually seeing the desired shot and putting, chipping and throwing the club into the picture with so much more confidence now. So Absolutely Amazing how our brains and bodies work. It’s been such a fun ride following your lead and tapping into things I’d never dreamed I’d be able to do. All the best!
David and Shawn,
I had the exact experience on yesterday. At my home course there is a coach also named Shawn, who has watched my workouts and commented on my swing plane. He showed me a piece of equipment that is designed to facilitate a proper swing plane. I tried using the device and it was physically awkward and forced me to think about body positions and Shawn Clement emphasizes how detrimental that is to our ability to properly execute.
Yesterday, the local coach asked me about my swing and had I made the adjustment to my swing plane. I proceeded to hit a few balls and he again mentioned that my elbow us up high and off the plane. Honestly, I was hooking the ball, topping the ball with an occasional good swing but I wanted the guy to leave me alone. I explained to him why I had my hammers, throwing the club, and adjusting my clubface only to hear him remark as PGA professional I would never instruct anyone that way. Finally, I said look at Bubba Watson, Dustin Johnson and Matt Wolfe this guys are not traditional in their swings. His response was that they all have different mechanics but they all to the same in the hitting zone. Here is the big thing he said is that you have to have room for the elbow. This made me remember the football drill and Shawn Clements remarks that I needed to fully deploy my arms.
So, I decided to try it just once however when I saw the ball flight and distance with how easily I released the club I continued on. I discovered that I have a natural fade which I immediately tried to compensate for. After, the time on the range and 9 holes on the course I begin to process what was going on and came to the following conclusions.
1. The release pattern when throwing a football underhand leads to a swing path that produces a fade.
2. Using a diagonal stance and swinging to left centerfield or a swing path that produces a left to right release and a draw shot.
3. No more pain in the back and hips
4. I can now feel the kinetic chain
5. It is easy to stick with the shot
What a great comment Dave, wow, really appreciate the detail in how you were able to put things together and this will help a bunch of people! Would love to put this on our new Wisdom in Golf blog if you don’t mind because this demonstrates EXACTLY WHY this kind of learning “sticks to the ribs” and translates directly into the form of the swing. I am so elated for you and feel your joy and passion for the game all the way to Quebec City! 😀👍 Thank you for that and all the best to you and your family this Holiday season and always!
Shawn
Shawn giving my elbow room in front of my body and setting the football is an epiphany for me. Finally could feel the massive weight of my armclub unit. Smoked my three wood in a field by my house. Can’t wait to go to the course. Question how do I keep from guiding my irons. I tend to hook them. Thanks
Shawn could you please do some slow motions you say watch the blur and that is what we see. A slow motion would give us more insight to your position at different parts of the swing.
Great stuff
Graham
Shawn, After watching hundreds of your videos many times, something new hit me (Maybe,I think ; – )). I have always assumed (if not assumed subconsciously) that there is increased sense of tension that develops into the back swing due to the windup up/coiling of the muscles against the resistance of the spine at set up. However, the more reps I watch of your motion into the back swing, I get the sense that you LOOK like that you do NOT resist against anything as you release into the back swing ??? Though you say that you stretch into the back swing as you gather “out of the way”, you do not look that you are resisting against any body part or position that you started with at address?? Should I interpret your “getting out of the way” as not only making room for you arms to swing BUT ALSO as not feeling as you are coiling/resisting against anything?? If so, I would imagine that you would not feel that much tension or resistance near the top of the back swing? Great vids! Thanks, Otto.
Hi Otto; I have been ANTI-RESISTANCE IN THE BACKSWING SINCE THE BEGINNING! 😀
This feedback is important because it tells me there is still way too many golfers out there that are suffering needlessly with statements like “coil against stable lower body in the backswing” which is the MAJOR CULPRIT for so many spine surgeries on tour and in the amateur ranks. I have dozens of videos to help drive the point home here: here is 12 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8RJ-_gyK1Y
Then see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D4_tDZjX1w and see lately https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbxfCjL95XU
Just a Possible suggestion as a key word or phrase that connects with golfers (hearing it resembles a slap in the face or an ahha moment) especially during this flow series… turn the entire upper body including the spine back and away into the backswing. Done properly, it relieves any sense of tension or resistance or feel of coiling again at the spine and/or lower body. Getting this point across is worth repeating (which I’m sure you already have) but in the context of asking golfers first if they usually feel like they feel they have previously falsely assumed that resistance into the backswing Is a basic tenet. Aka “getting out of the way” without tension or resistance . You should be able to pause near the top and feel fairly comfortable. I would suggest most golfers that resist would not feel comfortable near the top?
Exactly; great feedback because even if I have repeated this at nauseum in the past, I should keep it up front and center until this silliness goes away; which should be in a decade I guess 😝😝😝
And at the top, if you are fully bound up with all that resistance, you would be in a very precarious position to rip something apart as soon as you initiate the kinetic chain with the squatting to the ground in preparation for the delivery out to the target! Just insane the pile up of unnecessary injury and strain that has been caused by this way of thinking!
Just doing some re-watching, spring is upon us here and we got our first round in this weekend. I always correlated the club getting parallel in the back swing with a bigger turn, trying to turn more and more and feeling uncomfortable. Watching this, just turn out of the way and let the arms levitate or rise straight up and club gets parallel, no need to over turn or coil. Seems been trying to turn the shoulders more, no need to.
Hi Shawn, thank you for your clear concepts, target oriented focus, and body logic. It has given me much back that accident and age had started to take away, as well as clearing out alot of mental garbage/baggage that had accumulated and was in my way as well. This Focus series is Gold!
My question is this, do you still see the blur of the club when you hit the shot? Do you actually see the club blur pass through the ball on the way to the target? i ask because i have gotten such great results so far with your concepts, but, i don’t really think that happens with me. The target seems to take over when i actually hit the ball. Just wondering if i am missing something basic i hadn’t considered before. Thanks again, the money spent for Premium is SO worth it. Will be upgrading before end of year! Can’t wait for March! Joel
Hey Joel!
Great stuff! And no, you could not see the blur when performing the task because the brain is too busy staying with the anticipation of that impact. HOWEVER, I always see this blur just before I deliver the shot and have a solid preview of it and see the stem of the dandelion stem getting cut as well as the sound and feel of the compression and fizz headed out to the target as a prediction to the task.
Hi Shawn –
I struggle with my driver horribly. I typically shoot 87-89, but I lose a log of stroke off the tee. I have a typical amateur slice, which I am here to correct 🙂 That’s not my reason for this comment though. With that, I have a steep swing with the driver as well that is not on plane. I want to improve my swing plane, but also I want to know the cause of my biggest issue with driver. I often hit very low screamers. Sometimes, these tee shots skip off the tee box, which tells me I am hitting in with a descending blow. I can still hit the ball very far, but I have to be losing a lot of distance since this thing is like a rock skipping over water. I sometimes take a divot with my driver too. I just want to revamp my swing and find the best video to start with. This video was great, but is more about strategy and how to achieve certain things. I am needing more basic and how to improve plane and ball striking. Wow that’s a lot to work on haha. I’d love to never see a divot on the tee box or a mark where my ball has went leaving a rooster tail across.
The videos to watch for you are “blur of club” ‘ball on a string” “throwing series-hammer throw driver” and see the video I did for golf wrx on youtube called “driver speed and smash shawn clement golf wrx”
Shawn
Shawn: For all my clubs except my driver I am able to see the target in my mind’s eye and stay with that picture to produce a non-manipulated swing. But I still default to the ball on my driver. Two different swings in effect. My arms swing freely with my irons but not at all with the driver. Need your help.
Hi Shawn. I started playing again last year after an 8 year hiatus. When I came back I went through a massive swing overhaul that “felt” good but only proved to be problematic and unrepeatable. What has caught my eye is your address is very close to how I addressed the ball for 15 plus years before I quit. That address and swing yielded great results for me. Is that something you could cover or expound on? Loving the videos!
Very good! Everything you do at address is not for a position based on a theory pr a page in a baseless text book; it is to allow you to perform the task you need to perform to get the ball to fly in the direction you want it to fly. Marching the set up to the flight plan we call it.
So 1-you meed a flight plan and 2-an intermediate point to line you up and help you deliver into the flight plan and 3-ball position that matches direction, curvature and height of the flight plan and 4-a club face relationship with the grip that will allow the ball to fly the way you want it once released into the flight plan and 5-a distance to ball that allows for delivery with freedom and balance and 6-levels that allow the sole of club to stay along the ground beyond the ball when releasing into the flight plan.
Because we are getting ready to throw the energy towards the target, we are leaning that way and bracing the compression of the ball into the flight plan. ALL OUR VIDEOS FROM DAY 1 are consistent with this rock solid and steady approach and as you go along in this channel, the onion layers will keep peeling away giving you one AHA MOMENT after another…ENJOY!! 😀👍
Hi Shawn,
How does one line up if we are binocular creatures? If I use the line on the ball it obviously feels like it’s aiming very left but is correct. Perpetual motion in that direction then feels weird. If I don’t use the line on the ball then I’m going to be aiming incorrectly because of the way our vision works.
What do you do?
Also, if I hang my putter straight down (relaxed wrist hinge) then the heel is higher and off the ground a lot more than the toe?
Finally, if I don’t forward press a bit then there seems to be too much loft and the ball goes a bit left often?
Shawn, you are incredibly supple with a wide range of motion because of your suppleness. How can a 78 year old golfer like me possibly get to the positions in the swing you reach? My problem is I can make a full turn going back but I stop at the ball at impact. If I could get off my right side and send the “Y” in the swing to completion I would be so much better. How can I achieve a full release? Thanks
I live in the metropolitan Washington, DC area and winter is upon us. What can I do through the winter months to prepare for the golf season once the weather warms up? I always feel like I’m starting over at the beginning of every golf season.
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