Another great video. I don’t know how you keep coming up with this stuff.. I’ve struggled for years with staying connected to club through the swing, particularly with longer clubs. I’ve seen improvement when using the baseball grip.
Do you see any disadvantages to using the baseball grip or should I keep working on the overlap or interlocking?
Hi Shawn, I joined today after watching one of your grip videos. I have come back to golf after a few years out as I really struggled last time round with consistency. At one point I was to an 8 HC and then I would just start shanking the ball and this process would repeat over and over. Just to clarify the points here so I am straight on what you are saying.
1. close the clubface between 35 / 45 degrees and take a neutral grip / with the index hook (no problem this is my grip)
2. Take a braced tilt over the ball as if setting up to drive an axe into a tree, thus producing a flush clubface at address and impact.
Is this correct?
One other point, if I have gathered my facts correctly, where do I aim my shot. Do I set up just as I currently do, using a train track method with parallel clubface and feet to target line, or do I need to make adjustments to the right?
Thanks, I am really looking forward to trying this all out on Saturday and learning the “Wisdom in golf” way
What you are lining up is the MOMENTUM of the swing; see the latest “alignment reloaded” video on premium; as for the shanks; what is very important is the focus on a task through the ball and not to let the ball become the target!! So get really good with cutting grass through the stem of the dandelion like in the “grass whip training series” and to make sure the arms have the room they need in front of you, please see the “football drill series”
If the shanks start, feel like you are cutting the stem of the dandelion with the end of the blade, not the centre of the blade; sometimes the brain plays tricks on you vision wise and you are actually lining up the hosel to the ball! If you set up off the toe, and cut through the stem with the toe part of the sole of the club, and you hit it solid, stay with that!
Hi Shawn – Outstanding video and made me realize I was lifting my lead shoulder to create the back to square and not tilting properly. Do you close a hybrid the same as an iron?
Depends on the hybrid! Some are built for draws and you don’t need to close as much; and some look more open than they actually are because the face of the club is round and not straight like an iron!
Deliver the action in the direction you want to start the ball and see how it flies for 2 or 3 and then make adjustments where needed.
Thanks Shawn. Awesome video. I believe my iron inconsistency is caused by trying to set-up with too neutral of a grip and then trying to time my wrists to shut the face. I am all over the course and working my tail off. Funny thing is I use a much stronger grip with my driver and am staying in the fairway much of the time. I got off my strong grip with my irons due to an instructor comment regarding my hooking the ball. I think it was more a of set-up issue. Can’t wait to get back to my stronger grip tomorrow and see the results.
Yesss sir!! It is all about the delivery THROUGH to the direction you want to start the ball after that! Please see “target confirmation series” videos on premium.
Great video Shawn. Thanks to you I’ve been playing with a closed face for months and striking it better and better. It’s funny, because all my mates want to point out that my face is closed way too much..
Nothing prettier than Christian Yellich in full stride ripping a baseball. Great idea to show that momentum.
Shawn, light bulbs going on after watching this, but taking a neutral grip and then “getting behind the ball” to see the face square up seems a little odd to me. Since the levelness of one’s stance, or the distance one’s feet are apart can vary greatly from shot to shot (even in a fairly flat place like Florida where I play) are you ok with barely holding onto the club and delaying taking the grip and first finding your balance and that ideal braced tilt set-up position (like where you experiment on how to find the right ball position with the door frame exercise) and then taking the grip that feels comfortable once you reach that setup now with the club pointed directly at the target? This may seem backwards, but it feels right to me. And as a checkpoint, if I do this in the way I’m suggesting and then I stand straight up to get into the “hammer down” position the clubface is indeed “closed” at that point. I’m just getting there a different way.
Great video. I’m wondering about the task of both hands in relation to the “anatomically aligned” position of lower arm and hands. You emphasize their task as in throwing the club to the target (taking the ball with it on the way).
Couldn’t it also be seen and done a little differently, and I think many pros do it that way, that the tasks of both arm-hand units are somewhat different?
Left arm&hand (for a right handed person) swing the club to the target.
Right arm&hand emphasize the pendulum momentum of the club, throwing the club to the floor (mental picture somewhat in front of the ball)? Like in the task of throwing a stone or a ball in a straight line right at the floor, right at the ball?
It’s how good players produce high speed?
It’s what makes the swing such a difficult movement, because both sides have to accomplish somewhat different tasks?
If the tasks are somewhat different, their targets are different (left arm swinging motion for throwing to target, right arm casting motion of club at the ball or somewhat in front of it) the alignments of the anatomies must be somewhat different too? Means the left hand as you described here. But the right hand maybe a little modified for a throwing at a target at the bottom?
Baseball, Tennis and Hammering do not have the requirement of the left-right dissociation in the same way. It is what makes the golf swing a challenging task IMO.
How do you see it?
Don’t see it the same way at all; Where did you get this info?
You cannot own 2 brains and be in 2 different places at once; that was scientifically proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Arm anatomy is same for both right hand left and baseball, hockey, lacrosse, Jai Alai, tennis all have the same human dynamics, just a different tool. I understand it is shocking when you see and hear something that has gone against a prior belief; it happens to me all the time and is what makes us human! 😝😀👍
…I use your mental pictures of cutting the stem under the ball and throwing the club to the target for the left arm/hand/grip. The hand travels on a circular path around the body on the swing plane and releases to the cutting stem/throwing club motion. For the right arm I modify it and the mental picture is spearfishing. Throwing a spear on a straight trajectory at the “fish” a bit in front of the ball. The club end with the grip is the tip of the spear. That way the right arm modifies the club angles during downswing quite naturally and creates more lag, but without holding back anything. I believe that is how the good players are swinging the club, it’s the only progressive motion of the right arm that results in the proximity of the right elbow close to the right hip during downswing, which is necessary for in-to-out path and high club head speed. (All for a right handed person) Or what am I getting wrong here?
You have a good observation with the mechanics; yes!
The latest studies on human motor skill learning and the understanding that what you described is a natural movement pattern dictated by human anatomy under the laws of self preservation, Can also be applied to a baseball swing, a Jai Alai swing, a lacrosse swing, and even a hockey wrist shot. The hands cannot work independently because they are merged as one cohesive unit to create leverage and support during the swing. The key is to choose a nice task that supports this pattern naturally without thinking and then let the brain connect the dots on each shot; this is where you will find flow.
Yes, on your last post, you are talking about the opposite movements of the hands creating leverage on the handle; all of that is fine and is the flavour that the swing presents to your conscious mind in fleeting glimpses to tell the brain, hey, I like what’s going on or hey, that does not feel very good. What I don’t want happening is you thinking you need to monitor this action because the flight plan, the lie, the situation in the match, all contribute to the way you will be moving through that ball and into the picture. The hands are part of a kinetic chain of events produced in the central nervous system and what starts it is actually just before you swing in the pre-motor cortex. Have a look at “pre-motor cortex series” in premium. You have the feel and the understanding, for sure. I am just going with what I know and the feedback I get everyday from students from the last 35 years of full time teaching and also playing from both sides of the ball; which btw, the feel on my lefty swing vs righty swing are very different, but have the same purpose.
You are the master, I’m the student, as far as a golf is concerned. Your mental pictures and methodology are golden for me. But I can’t understand, based on my experience, you postulating that the hands can’t work independently while united in the grip on the golf club. That’s not what’s happening with my hands. They are sitting at different points, right next to each other but offset to each other, on the lever that is the shaft. Like two people paddling in a kayak. They depend on each other and are connected by the boat, but the effects of their paddling movements are different, relative to their position to the center of the moving mass.
Doesn’t both, the way we control clubface and club position in the 3D plane, depend on the difference how left and right hand work on handling the shaft?
Having said that, I’m not saying it is the goal to emphasize the differences in the swinging motion. To the contrary, but just the necessary amount at the right time and place, to create a flowing swing hitting the ball with precision and speed.
I believe if I ignore the difference between the two hands, I will never get more precise.
People who play musical instruments do have often high independence of left and right arm/hands. To the point where the left hand/arm can do a different task altogether. Maybe I didn’t describe my point well. Of course it can be argued – as you do – that both sides should have the same task for the golf swing. But it’s possible to have different movement patterns in both sides, and I was wondering if that couldn’t be helpful. It certainly doesn’t simplify he movement though.
Hi Shawn
Golf has started to limp back here in India.
As usual I have been following your recent videos on release and grip and trying specifically to implement the lead hand release for either sending the 2 tees through the intermediate point or sending the tip of the tee to the left or right of the intermediate point. I have observed that my release does not have the snap. It is kind of muted. When I turn the club upside down and cut the bamboo shoot it is quite snappy.
Can I get some advise on this.
Thanks.
This is a job for the “pre-motor cortex series” Mohanjit; let me know if you were getting ready with that kind of flavour that would keep you from defaulting to the ball.
Hey Shawn, I have difficulty trying to duplicate the feel of sword slashing when i use two hands vs one. My takeaway is much worse and I feel the weight a lot less too
Most of the time, the issue is in the way the lead hand yields; once you get that lead hand to snap over, by allowing the lead elbow to snap down which catapults the back of the lead hand over the ping pong ball for that top spin back hand release!
I played yesterday and was really having difficulty getting to my front foot. Probably not completing my backswing. Whether it was fatigue or something else what do I do during the round to prevent myself from hanging back. I tried to concentrate on my target to kick in my kinetic chain(WWSCD: what would Shawn Clement do) but , it just wasn’t happening yesterday.
best video ever played for many years with inconsistancy bur the hammer analogy took the scales from my eyes and reevolutioned mt speed and accuracy. followed you for a few years bur did not get it completel until this video many thanks.,
best video ever played for many years with inconsistancy bur the hammer analogy took the scales from my eyes and reevolutioned mt speed and accuracy. followed you for a few years bur did not get it completel until this video many thanks.,
It’s been awhile since I’ve used your stuff and I’ve gone down the rabbit hole of conventional instruction. My game improved but I’m constantly thinking about positions and technique. What videos would you recommend for practice to begin tapping back into a more natural swing and continue improving my golf? Thanks!
So this video has been my self-imposed focus, especially on the downswing…. smash the windows on the garage door. It really me to use the kinetic chain and not engaging the ACU too soon. Works great for my irons and fairway woods. However, in today’s round this same thought with driver is causing me to clip the ground before hitting the ball. Could I possibly be overcooking the garage door thing. Maybe just slightly crack the windows? Shrug. Thoughts?
Simply match the same action with clipping the tip of tee on the way up! The driver should never hit the ground unless you are hitting it off the deck;
See “hammer throw driver” in the throwing series
Thanks, Shawn. That hammer throw is helpful. Then, I read through the comments where someone had a similar issue, and you suggested the ball above the feet video. So it would seem that there an adjustment to the downswing based the club…. as you demonstrated with the long hitting stick. So, is fair to picture the swinging to the target as a straight line (actually arc) from three points…. top of the wing, tip of the tee, target? Spending time with Goldilocks as my downswing may be driving in a plane is closer to my irons, which would steeper.
Yes, short irons are steeper because of the shorter shaft; see “grass whip training” video and do this with all clubs; and you will notice that the G-force of the swing based on the length of the club and your body with iron out the plane on all of them.
Don’t go there! Your eyes are not in the usual place compared to “traditional instruction”
Stay with the task at hand and feel what you need to be able to deliver the task; see “top 3 tasks” and “task trumps everything” videos
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