You bet it matters! 😀
Right in the center of the ball at ground level. If you place a ball against a door frame, then in slow motion, try to cut through the stem of the dandelion; you will notice that the ball HAS TO MEET THE FACE of the club BEFORE the stem is cut. Which of course is VERY CONVENIENT!😀👍
Well appears the golf season is over in Michigan. Based on your recommendation I bought a set of Super Speed Sticks and plan to do the training program over the winter. I also bought a 2lb hammer and an 8lb sledge hammer. For inside drills with these hammers does it make sense to make mini swings with the (say from 9 o’clock to 3 o’clock with an emphasis on “getting out of the way going back and forward”. Work on that on that drill over summer and don’t want to lose any ground.
Thanks for all the wonderful instruction. Has really made a difference in my game, still fall back to making the ball my target but making progress.
Let’s see if I have this right: Watching the student’s hands I could tell when he hit a good shot because his fingers had ‘levitated’ to the top of the Henderson poster on the wall. (you could hear the difference in the ball compression) Against Bubba’s poster, the top of the student’s head also levitated from Bubba’s mid-section (at address) to above his chin (at the top of the swing). Then it drops back down for contact followed by a similar climb of the head and hands on the follow through.
So for a complete swing, this means that the orbit of the head is shaped like a ” U “. The bottom of the ” U” on the downswing is a head drop in a natural move to garner ground forces. The old style thinking was to hold the head rock steady. Strictly interpreting that concept messed up a lot of people over the years. I share the fear of the student in reaching for the sky since you feel your head and torso pulling off the ball on the backswing. Getting older I have lost flexibility so I have been fiddling with this to regain some distance. I have been getting mixed results. The ball does go straight with good distance but half the time it is chunky.
What keeps you from topping the daylights out of the ball or sticking the club straight into the ground? Is the best way to learn this is by incorporating high hands into the perpetual motion drill?
Hey Jon! You have the general understanding of how this works; however, you must understand that your fat shots have nothing to do with “the probability of a mistake” as we are not defective machines at all! The original task you hold in your mind just before you swing is the key and of course it must be associated with the proper task or “means by which” you deliver the shot to the target.
We are actually designed to do what you described beautifully! As “BY LATERAL MACHINES”, we walk this way, swing on a swing this way, ski, skate, you name it; you are made for this! So what you want to focus on is a task to get you through your shot and into the flight plan you determined you need to get to your end target. See “the walking drill” and combine this with “pumping up the swing” and have a blast with the “kinetic chain series” which is a great view.
Then you can get into the “off season training series” or the “consistency series” for some nice practice.
Let me know how things go!
Shawn
Hi Craig!
You will see as you go along in the videos that the width in the swing is more important and the only way to achieve this width is by getting a nice complete turn in the backswing. The idea is to strive for something that has structure and that does not feel “collapsed”
This is a major field of expertise for us and the videos you would want to review right here in premium are:
-Arm swing vs body turn
-Battering ram
-Rope drill
-lead hand release
-Arm motion fine tuning.
Then I would do the off season training series for this winter if you are in the north and are being forced to indoor golf. (which by the way can be a big advantage to acquire better swing actions!!)😀👍
I notice your trail hand is significantly weaker than mine. Is this closer to where I need to be. I’m thinking a strong right grip promotes a bigger block or pull unless if you really have command of it.
I’m going through the acid tests all month until I’m confident with your setup, seem ok?
Hey Sam! Exactly; use “goldielocks” to your advantage and keep delivering through and out to the picture and observe flights influenced by each grip. Shawn
Hi Shawn, I defintely love this double overlap thing. I will try it on the range asap. Besides that I am always amazed to see your precise up and down leg motion and absolutely believe it helps boosting the swing but don’t you think that this precise leg move is maybe too challenging for us mortals?
If you have 2 arms and 2 legs and you are insurable, then you are good to go! You are officially superhuman compared to “be careful” and “watch out” and “hold on”!!!
See “pumping up the swing” video as a nice back up and have fun with the drills!
Shawn
Shawn I have been using this grip for my putter for a long time now. Would going to this grip as a “specialty” shot, say chipping or to take spin off pitch shots be advantageous? And does the ball position need to change a little bit?
Easy to implement on specialty shots; and it always starts with a flight plan!! You will simply need to close the face a bit more for low shots and let the weight flow in the direction of the shot. Enjoy!
Shawn, this 1-2-3 drill really helped me to focus on the task and when I’m able to do it with a ball in front of me, the results are amazing. However, most of the time, when I place that ball in front of me, the task seems to become “hit the ball”. The results are all over the place. Do you have any suggestions on how to perform the same effortless swing when I put the ball in front of me? Maybe I should close my eyes.
Have a look at the “predict contact” and the “goldie locks series” and then finish with “target focus confirmation series”
This will get you to the next level and then let me know which one gave you the best focus!
Shawn
Great question!
This video is for the person who is still trying to hit the ball and gets out in front and always feels the need to hit AT THE BALL. Those who are able to deliver a nice throw AT THE TARGET, you are all set! This video does also have a terrific addendum to then”pumping up the swing” video in he sense that you cannot strain the throw either. All in all, a very cool addition to the feel of kinetic chain engagement with very little possibility of arm overuse which so many golfers have grooved before they got here with us.
When you get good with this action though, you then need the support of the trail hand index finder as one of the last important links of the kinetic chain.
So are you referring to the ‘knife the grip’ concept here when you mention index finger? I guess the follow up question is how do you discern a nice throw at the target vs. at the ball? I tend to pull the ball left a lot and I’m thinking this right hand aggressive action might have something to do with that. I’ll have to try out the grip and see if this helps.
I only stop by to say something, because I have just recently connected some dots that have really helped me diagnose where to apply emphasis when certain results happen.
I also had a hard time discerning a proper throw at target vs. throw at ball sensation, like it sounds like your saying. In addition, I also tended to pull my shots left. I feel that the two are actually somewhat separated, although ultimately connected.
First, how to establish throw to target. For me literally swinging a sledge hammer really helped me get the feel. this was before this wonderful video with the double overlap. Once I got the sledge hammer feel, I would try to take it to the range with a golf club and couldn’t replicate the sledge hammer feel. What I found was to pay attention to the intensity of grip in my left (lead) hand during chip shots. For me, having a strong grip (in this case relating to intensity not position) during a delicate swing, proved to be very challenging. I tended to want to either girp hard swing hard, or swing light grip light. Focusing on a ‘toned’ grip as Shawn has put it, really helped. The key here though was to really focus on only the lead hand grip strength. When I watched Shawn talk about toned grip, I always applied it to both hands. focusing on the one hand, really helped me feel the “swing” of the lead arm. It’s almost as if your left arm (lead arm) is the sledge hammer, and you’re using your legs/body to swing it, while your right hand or trail hand “propels” it. Marrying this feel to where I want the ball to land resulted in a much easier and more tangible feel of “tossing at the target”. It wasn’t ambiguous, it was VERY easily identifiable. So much so, that if you question it, it likely isn’t right yet.
This leads me to what to do with the pulled shots. What I found, was once I could easily identify a correct “swing to target”, which at this point took the chip shot formula above and put it into a full swing by going “chip”, “pitch”, “gentle full”, “regular shot”, I realized, that i simply had my ball position too forward. This was resulting in pulled shots. adjusting my ball position just a little back (maybe half a ball to a ball) resulted in perfect draws.
My main thrust here is that once you get the feel down, which for me simply came from focusing on “gripping the lead hand tightly” with gentle effort in the actual swing, the rest of the game begins to fall into place quickly.
Also, as a bonus and this is probably mind numbingly simple, but face angle on a golf club means the sole of the club not the top. For years I would close the club based on the top-line, only to realize I was closing 50 or 60 degrees when it looked like 30. Realizing this has revolutionized everything. SO SIMPLE.
Anyway, good luck and keep going, i spent basically 3 years working through WIG concepts before they fully began locking in and boy shawn is right, it’s so great when they do!
Kevin – Thank you…..I am going to try this out. I too have tossed clubs and hammers at the park but had difficulty taking it to the practice range so this really sounds like something I need to train and test at the range. Appreciate the thoughtful assistance.
Yes; exactly! For many, this action of pushing down with the right hand is so ingrained and familiar, that it sabotages the kinetic chain. So to remove that feel of comfort is usage, we do the double overlap grip and then apply the pumping action of the kinetic chain. This has helped many and when the action of the kinetic chain becomes more familiar than hitting down on the ball, then we can tweak the grip to make things more compressive through the ball.
Shawn…thank you as these Premium Teaching videos are great. I watched this one with great interest. I’m a lefty, 66 years old and a 10 HC. I have always used a baseball grip and it feels very uncomfortable to overlap. Some of my friends always tell me that I need to change. Your teaching has me for the most part striking the ball well with the ability to hit a draw or fade when I want. What is your opinion on making the change to overlap?
10 finger grip is an awesome grip!! If you feel that you are delivering a nice release through the ball and into your picture, then why would you change?
Wow Shawn, I’ve made huge jumps in my golf game this season thanks to your methods. I started out this season before your videos shooting over 100. Then about 3/4 through the season I started breaking 100 with high 90s. This past weekend I shot a 91 and got a hole in one Saturday. Then on Sunday I played 9 and shot a 40. Does the golf season HAVE to end?!?
Oooh yeah man! Way to go! And not to worry, there is a time to perform and then there is a time to retool and train and man, we are just 2 days from embarking on a quest for flow states in golf that are sure to please for next season! Congrats for the benchmarks thus far and for representing Wisdom in Golf so well. See you on Wednesday for session 1 on FLOW!
SC, I found a better balance and weight shift feel by keeping my knees in a tighter rotation
on the BS and DS. Does that make sense ? It’s a nuance thing but wow I’ve noticed better
ball striking, less pulls going left of target.. Even though I WAS feeling centered and balanced,
finding this tighter turn with my knees and I guess my femurs provides better structure and
balance. Not sure about power though…
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