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Tried this today and got very good results. Fastest swing speed I’ve had in a long time. Consistently hitting the sweet spot on the club face too. I had to set my driver down to 7.5* and it was still going quite high. I’m not really using the ground to the optimum and not making a very big hip turn yet but the results are consistently down the middle so it’s a step in the right direction. Thanks Shawn.
Great stuff man! Let’s keep heading down that rabbit hole! 😀👍🤛
Hi Shawn. I mentioned before hat I use this stance already for my drives. Just one observation / question as to whether you have the same experience.
In terms of my straight draws, these seem to go slightly further than a more conventional stance draw but the fades are noticeably shorter from a diagonal stance than my fades from a conventional stance.
I think this could be to do with the fact that in order to ensure I can maintain left edge of the intermediate point my swing seems to be more out to in and consequently a bit shorter, hence the reduced distance achieved. I have attempted a more rounded and fuller swing but this feels contrived and unnatural from the diagonal stance.
Is this something you have noticed and any suggestions as ideally I would prefer to have only one stock stance for the driver.
Many thanks and best wishes Steve
The fade IS NOT an out to in swing; it is simply a swing in the direction you want to start the ball with a nice throw!! The set up takes care of making it fade!
Thanks for replying Shawn but you didnt really address my concern. I will rephrase to hopefully make it clearer.
From the tests you have carried out are your own driver fades using a diagonal stance as long as those from a conventional stance ?
I ask this because when fading with the diagonal stance I’m not hitting the ball as far with my driver as a fade with a conventional stance. I think this is because my backswing shortens naturally in order for my brain to maintain left edge of intermediate point focus. I have attempted a fuller backswing turn but the diagonal stance seems to encourage me to swing across the line and also lose connection to the left edge of my intermediate point. Thanks for anything you can add in this respect. Steve
Ahh, ok, thanks Stephen. In the “Great Driver Nugget” video, I was saying that the square stance with the driver is much more conducive to the power fade; because of the fact that there is no platform under the left side beyond the ball for the draw with square stance but that with the fade you do. However, if the diagonal stance is too pronounced, it can easily prevent you from clearing once the kinetic chain has engaged in both cases.
This is why Hogan wrote about a graduated diagonal stance in his book.
So the answer to you and to a bunch would be to have a blend of both having a better access to the backswing to gather the necessary range of motion to whip the club with ease while also getting the clearance to get to the target. This is where “goldie locks” will need to come in to mediate! 😀👍
Many Thanks for the additional words of Wisdom on this Shawn. I shall keep experimenting and Goldie locksing to see where this goes. I quite like the idea of having a power fade stance which I know won’t go left and a diagonal stance for the draw which pretty much always ends up middle to left side. BTW the accuracy of my full wedges has improved considerably thanks to using a diagonal stance, possibly because of an increased focus on releasing through the right edge of the intermediate point. I hope the e book is coming along nicely. All the best Steve
I like this! It is easier to get better backswing. Bolted and centered, yes but how to get that wider release. I watched already those different throwing styles. If “javelin, football and hammerthrow is wider. Is wider also like “horse shoes” or tennis backhand? Less arm rotation and “snap”?
For you, because your dominant hand is your lead hand, you want to be doing the “lead hand release” and the frisbee throw!
I have not yet done this for premium, but it is on the way; so see the “backhand series golf wrx shawn clement” on youtube.
I watched those videos and and go play 9 holes. After that to range. I strugle at first but then i was able give more control to gravity. Arms just falling and body move (frisbee) slings them to target 👍🙂 Though need still more practice to get it on cource. Thank you Shawn❗
Yeah man!!😀👍
I Shawn. A few questions.
1- I tend to pull my irons a bit when setting up for a fade or straight fade. I tried to open the club face a bit but my brain doesn’t like the feel of it and I end up re-gripping it. How do you go past that?
2- I would like your thoughts on the following. My drives always tend to be on the low side so I was considering changing my loft to 10.5 instead of 9.5. Also, I was starting to consider offsetting it to draw since I have a big tendency to do push fades.
Thank you for your time and videos. I definitely feel like my swing is a lot more supported with that diagonal stance. Everything falls into place a lot more easier. It also made me realize that I was fighting that natural tendency before by setting up per industry standard; both feet parallel.
I have to say that I’ve been hitting hit longer for the last week at 10.5. Managed to hit a few drives at around 300-315 yds (won longest drive at my last tournament 😁)
Great stuff! You just confirmed the answer for me! 😀👍
Hi Eric!
1-use goldie locks and get your extreme references in place; see the “fade fine tuning” video on premium
2-not a bad idea for the driver; use it like the “driver for accuracy shawn clement” video on youtube; you will see another video on premium soon on this too!
Shawn
Thx Shawn.
What about the offset? I’m a bit relunctant on doing that. I’m afraid it will stop me from being able to work the ball once I get there. I see it those offset as a way to compensate for a bad swing or am I wrong in my assumption?
Thx Shawn
What about the offset? I didn’t tried it yet. I’m not a big fan of it because I see it as a “band aid” kind on fix to a bad swing. Am I wrong?
I don’t recommend that at all; it is pretty much impossible to fade and the models are much higher spin models; more for those who don’t work on their game and need help with the swing they have…
Thx for confirming my assumption.
Hi Eric,
Just thought I’d add my $0.02 to this even though Shawn has already commented. I just finished experimenting with the draw setting on my driver (as I too have a lower ball flight and tend to push/fade on misses) and thought exactly the same thing as you. I went from 9.5 to 10.5 and changed to a draw biased. I found that it actually made the push fade worse. My only conclusion is that my body must be sensing the club face not being aligned as it should and is compensating too far to correct it, therefore either causing a double-cross or on over the top. I find much better success on both fades and draws, leaving the head neutral and only “manually” closing the face. Hope that helps confirm! Glad the 10.5 degree is helping you. It ended up ballooning on me…thanks,
I’ve been using that diagonal stance now and working the power fade instead of the draw I’ve been hitting for years. Yesterday the first 9 holes I was smoking the driver with a hint of a fade. On the back 9 it started fading more and then by the last few holes in turned into a huge slice. What was I doing wrong? All the shots and the setup position felt the same to me.
You started loosing your posture; watch “bolted and centred”